P4P

The Transnational Boxing Rankings Board has weighed in on the perennial question of top-ten pound-for-pound boxers active today. Members were encouraged to apply a criteria which challenged them to go beyond simply asking who are the ‘best’: How high is the quality of the fighter’s recent opposition? How strong is the fighter’s career-long resume? How advanced is the fighter’s ring generalship? How willing is the fighter to accept all-comers?

While hammering out the inaugural P4P Rankings in February 2013, a lively debate erupted among members, particularly around whether a peaking Andre Ward or a declining Floyd Mayweather deserved the top spot. The response rate was upwards of 93% and the results were computed using a weighted point system.

Barring special circumstances, fighters inactive for one year or more will be removed from the P4P Rankings; otherwise, all changes to the list are decided by the Board at-large.

RankNameNationalityRecordDivision
1Floyd Mayweather, Jr. *USA46-0-0 (26)Junior Middleweight
2Andre Ward *USA27-0-0 (14)Super Middleweight
3Manny PacquiaoPHI56-5-2 (38)Welterweight
4Timothy BradleyUSA31-1-0 (12)Welterweight
5Juan Manuel MarquezMEX56-7-1 (40)Welterweight
6Carl FrochENG33-2-0 (24)Super Middleweight
7Wladimir Klitschko *UKR62-3-0 (52)Heavyweight
8Guillermo Rigondeaux *CUB14-0-0 (9)Junior Featherweight
9Danny Garcia *USA29-0-0 (17)Junior Welterweight
10Roman GonzalezNIC39-0-0 (33)Flyweight

* Champions as recognised by the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board.

64 thoughts on “P4P

  1. I see Danny Garcia is still ranked in the Pound for Pound list. It seems Miguel Cotto, Mikey Garcia or even Golovkin would be more fitting at the time. Yes, Garcia deservedly cracked into P4P lists with his wins over Khan and Matthysse, but since then his highly questionable win over Mauricio Herrera and his abomination of a win over undersized and overpowered Rod Salka seem to have moved him back behind the aforementioned fighters for the time being. Even Nonito Donaire has been more impressive of late.

    I’m just not sure how he still holds down the #9 spot on the elite list.

    Kudos, by the way, for including Roman Gonzalez. Chocolatito is at the top of his game has long lacked the recognition he deserves.

    • Thank you Chaz. Your appearance on these pages is always good for quality control. More than a few members agree with you about Garcia’s presence in the P4P List and regret not moving him down (if not out) after the Herrera fight in March. To do it now would be arbitrary (why not move Ward down as well?). However, his record overall remains impressive. Let’s also consider a factor that used to be called “the Indian sign.” Herrera made him look less than he had been looking against higher-ranked opposition, sure, but does that mean that Garcia is ‘less’ or does it mean that Herrera’s jazzier style naturally neutralized Garcia’s less-imaginative style? Back in the early 50s Archie Moore was clearing a path through the light heavyweight division on the way to the throne (then occupied by Joey Maxim) but he didn’t look so good against Bert Lytell. The second time they fought, Moore took a decision but was booed to the rafters by his own neighbors in Toledo, Ohio. He disappointed his fans and they turned on him. But Lytell was a complicated fighter with a chin like a curbstone and had made Jake LaMotta look just as bad. Moore came roaring back of course. Garcia may neutralize his critics soon enough; if not, we’ll address it as fairly as we can.

  2. Isn’t pound for pound measured by competition too, who did Mayweather beat that was competitive? Saul Alvarez and Miguel Cotto weren’t on the P4P list. Andre Ward haven’t fought for how many years now? I think you should replace him until he fights again.

    • You’d have a hard time convincing many that Floyd isn’t the best P4P in the world, though be assured that there was a lively debate among Board members when we were determining our P4P List. Many thought Ward was more deserving, though that was a long time ago, and Ward’s inactivity could see him dropping down in time on our P4P List.

      • I like your reply, very neutral and unbiased respond. Just wanted you to know that I feel that if a boxer compete with others that are closer to the number 1 spot in their division or on the pound for pound list, they are more deserving to be on the P4P list. I respect the way champions are crowned on TBRB, thank you for your reply.

    • Exactly. Even the disclaimer at the top states “…among ACTIVE fighters…”
      Ward is inactive, and has not really kept on fighting the best anyway.
      I’d like to see him take on GGG, Pascal, Stevenson, Kovalev, Froch II, or even Groves or DeGale.

      All of these operate around 168 give or take and all would pose problems – the guy is very good but has been made into some kind of invincible thing far, far too early.

      Should not be considered top 10.

      • Ward’s support for being near the top of the P4P List is waning, that much is undeniable. Watch for him to be overtaken as others near him fight and he continues to lollygag his peak away.

    • Cotto had his supporters on the Board to enter the P4P top-ten, but most felt that Roman Gonzalez deserved to be in more than him. Cotto, after all, is surging again, but he is still 2-2 since 2011. If we looked primarily at career-long accomplishments, we’d probably have Hopkins way up at the top, but would that reflect what’s what and who’s who today?

  3. I’m all for Roman Gonzalez , but how is he Top 10 p4p, but ranked near the bottom in his own division? 1+2 does not equal 3 inthis instance.

    • Thank you for taking the time to post a question, Jesse. Look at it from another, more specific angle: 2+2=4 and that’s how many bouts Roman has had at or around Flyweight. Roman’s reputation was made at Straw and Jr. Flyweight and since he moved up to Flyweight, he has looked good, but has yet to defeat a ranked contender. That’s why he is at the lower end thus far in the Flyweight rankings. We don’t install fighters dominant in other divisions based on an announcement of a division-change. We look at reputations as division-specific and make no assumptions based on anything but (a) who they defeat and (b) what we see at the new weight.

  4. I know it’s the lack of quality opposition that has Román González off the top 10, but on a pound-for-pound basis, he would easily beat half the guys on this list. El Chocolatito will soon have his recognition as soon as he gets his hands on Yaegashi.

    • I couldn’t agree more! He should steam roll over Yaegashi, and then unify to gain further exposure on the elite stage.

  5. Froch doesn’t deserve to be on this list, especially after his last fight.

    I don’t see how Rigondeax could be in front of Garcia either. Garcia is in a tougher division and fought and beat some of the biggest names in Khan, Judah, and a monster win against Matthysse.

    I’m a huge Sergio Martinez fan but he’s been inactive almost a year so it’s about time he get’s the boot.

    Has anyone on this list been KO’d like Pac was against JMM? He’s still top 5?

    • Inactivity should be a factor in these rankings. Andre Ward has had 2 fights in as many years. Sergio, due to injuries hasn’t been active.
      Danny Garcia should be a couple spots higher for dominating the devision as Andre has done.
      Mikey Garcia should be in the top 10. Everyone else is fine, except Froch, but he will probably knock himself out of this list after his rematch with Groves.

  6. No Nonito Donaire? And Carl Froch is not a top 10 P4P fighter. And I never understand why heavyweights (especially giant ones) are added, since the original tradition of the pound for pound list was to identify the best non-heavyweight fighters, specifically. Mikey Garcia and Abner Mares belong here.

    And how can Bradley, who flatly lost to Pacquiao, went life and death with a non P4Per in Provodnikov, and was only able to barely outbox a 40 year old Marquez, the third best fighter in the world? If things were called correctly, Bradley would have gotten a loss and a draw from the Pacquiao and Provodnikov fights.

    I have Rigondeaux in his place at #3. He dominated Donaire, who was a consensus top 5 P4Per at the time. I don’t see him losing to anyone, though a fight with fellow amateur legend Vasyl Lomachenko would be intriguing if Lomachenko continues to progress.

    • you want donaire in top 10 after getting schooled by ringondeaux and looking awful against vic ? you want abner in the top 10 after he got destroyed in one round ?

      • Donaire is now at Featherweight. As for his previous ranking at Jr. Featherweight and Abner’s current ranking at Featherweight, we also consider their resume in the division, not just a big loss. In other words, we look critically at a big loss, but also at previous recent accomplishments/context.

      • Nonpareil, you right good articles but in one you said mayweather vs guerrero was evenly matched.it’s obvious you really don’t understand how talented Floyd is.

          • (Going into the Guerrero bout Floyd was and still on the same level as Guerrero). Simply because Floyd has taken on C- since 1999. Floyd has you and many duped sir.
            Mr. Mayweather has taken 2 risks in the second Jose Luis Castillo bout in 2002 and recently on September 2013 facing the young 40 plus bout Canelo Alvarez. Mr. Mayweather has the most misses [in Boxing History] of available & threatening opposition win or lose since 1999. They consist of Erik Morales ’00 – Joel Casamayor ’00 – Shane Mosley ’00 or ’09 – Stevie Johnston 00’ – Acelino Freitas ’00 – Kostya Tszyu ’04 – Winky Wright ’04 – Antonio Margarito ’06 – Paul Williams ’08 – Miguel Cotto 08’ – Manny Pacquiao ’09 ’10 ’11 & ’12 – Sergio Martinez in ’10 ’11 & ’12. Some add the late Vernon Forrest and Cory Spinks to this list. Throughout history the unwritten rule is that a proven risk taking boxer is allowed up to three misses. Floyd has never earned this privilege to become as choosy with opponent selection as he is. He has left [what could’ve been] many career defining fights on the table. The media should be utilized in a more positive manner for top paid boxers to collectively begin restoring the sport that feeds them. The new ‘All Time Great’ is the all-time great deception more so on choosy opponent’s selection.

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  8. I like this P4P list but there are two problems regarding people who should not be there.
    Abner Mares and Carl Froch do not belong there especially in front of Rigondeaux and even Donaire for that matter. Donaire may have lost but he is still P4P there is no question about that. I would move your #10 and #9 up two slots. Then I’d put Bernard Hopkins right behind Donaire because of what he did to Cloud and what he has accomplished. He beats everyone not named Chad Dawson or Andre Ward at 175 he is a freak. at #10 Vitali Klitshcko belongs there and pending on whether he officially retires, there is no excuse for him not to be on P4P lists. for any heavyweight in the game right now it is considered an absolute and total privilege to even step foot in the ring with one of them.

    • I recognize that you are making an effort to do the right thing, an example of that is to put Mares up than Rigo, there are a lot of persons without knowledge or without box sensibility that believe that defeat 1 excellent boxer is better than defeat 5 excellent boxers and win 1 title is better than win 3 titles (Mares has proved a lot more than Rigo)… by the other hand… Martinez is not longer a top lb x lb, and only if Froch defeats Kessler, he or Kessler is going to be a top lb x lb but not before this fight.

      Les reconozco que hacen un esfuerzo por hacer lo correcto, ejemplo de esto es poner a Mares arriba de Rigo. (Mares con 3 títulos mundiales y en 6 peleas contra excelentes rivales debe ser más que Rigo, debemos dar el beneficio de la duda a Nonito y a Rigo, de que ni uno es tan bueno ni el otro tan malo, por diferentes factores como la lesión de Nonito, el que realmente no había enfrentado a los mejores del mundo, etc) Por otro lado, definitivamente Martínez no tiene nada que hacer en este ranking Él ya no es más un lb x lb y Froch lo será sólo si vence a Kessler a finales de mayo, no antes.

      • By the way, in my view beating Donaire means more than beating guys like Agbeko(questionably the first time) and Vic Darchinyan. His best win was against De Leon. Height marks for that, but the clinic Rigo did to Donaire is of the highest order. He decisively beat him and was already highly regarded because of his amateur record.Based on those credentials you have to give him credit.Only reasons he doesn’t have more fights is because he’s Cuban. I think his skillset and credentials speak for themselves. When given the opportunity he schooled the best fighter available.

    • Not sure about Mares, although he proves he belongs on the list. Maybe 10. I’d put him Rigo at 6, leave Mares at 7, Froch at 8. Klitchko doesn’t belong there. I don’t out heavies on my list, unless they’ve moved up from lower weights. I think you could put Donaire at ten. Not sure who you’d put at 9. I guess you could put Klitchko if you wanted to….Broner maybe? Not a big fan, but he’s been pretty impressive, even if the oppostion is lacking, but he can only beat the guys around his weight.

  9. Great website and I’m becoming a believer in The Transnational Boxing Rankings. However I disagree with having Nonito Donaire at #5, that is way too low and I believe he should be #1. Donaire is more active than any other fighter and he just beat 3 world champions who currently held titles at Junior Featherweight and beat them all. Donaire now has climbed up and beat every champion at Junior Bantamweight, Bantamweight and now Junior Featherweight. Now on April 13, he will take his toughest test to date as he fights the next best fighter in his division which is Guillermo Rigondeaux. Those fighters ahead of Donaire are too inactive and they don’t even fight champions or the best fighters in their division. Donaire must also be commended for cleaning up the sport by submitted to year round blood testing.

    • I think 5th is a good palce for Donaire. he ko’s Arce and Jmm ko’s Pac . .no comparison. Martinez Ko’d PWill Ward cleaned out a whole division. I think Donaire would be considered for #1 if he can beat Rigo and Mares and then a formidable guy like Salido or Ponce at 126

  10. I respect what you guys are doing. But not having Bradley in the top 10?

    He beat Vazquez, Peterson, Alexander who all came back to become champion
    Holt and Witter. Both beltholder at that point and highly regarded.
    Abregu, who came back strong and is still a player in the 147 division.

    No matter what you think of the decision against Pac.. He slowed Pac down tremendously. I thought it was a close fight. But even if that was a loss, he def should be up there in the top 10 imo..
    And i think Ward is too high, he hasn’t done enough yet.

    my top 10
    Mayweather
    Marquez
    Martinez
    Ward
    Donaire
    Bradley
    Wlad
    Pacquiao
    Froch
    Viloria

    • If you take the total combined record of a fighter’s opponents, it is THE single best method to audit their efforts.
      Carl Froch’s opponents have a hugely higher win % than almost every fighter out there, for the last 20 years.
      The man has fought top top guys, (Mack being the exception) for almost a decade, and come out on top all but twice, one of those he avenged.
      And before you say anything, Groves is a very very good fighter, and will be a WC one day.
      Finally, Ward should not get on that list, at all. He is far too inactive, and the last guy he fought no-one had ever heard of.
      I’d love to see his record if he fought Bute, Pascal, Groves x 2 and Taylor of 5 or 6 years ago.

  11. I dont think Martínez is a real p4p, is a good fighter but only have figths in one division. He begans in welter then in juniormiddle and did’t had good results and he does no want to figth in supermiddle. So that is not a real p4p.

  12. I like this site and the whole idea. The rankings are objective and the answers to people’s questions are reasonable. i can’t say i agree exactly with every single ranking in each division but it’s a consnsus so few see things exacly… For the people complaining and getting outraged because it’s biased they are probably the most narrow in their focus. Any fool can see what’s wrong. there is a lot that is right about this idea and I hope eventually it has a positive impact on the sport we all love because these alphabet ratings are ridiculous

  13. Not having Timothy Bradley in the top ten is criminal. Bradley has some very solid wins at 140lbs and he was the man in that division. When he moved up in weight, he beat Manny Pacquiao and Ruslan Provodkinov. You can say the Pacquiao decision was controversial but some people did score the fight for Bradley and of course a lot of people are going to side with Pacquiao as he is an incredibly popular fighter. A lot of those guys were influenced by the very biased HBO commentary. In reality, we saw a very close fight with a lot of swing rounds. An investigation was undertook and 5 different judges found 8 different rounds to give to Bradley. That was the nature of the fight.

    I think you shoudl respect the decision of the judges under those circumstances.

    • Bradley should definitely not be in the P4P list. He lost both of his last two fights in my eyes. Pacquiao beat him hands down on all fronts: control of the fight, more punches landed, and better punches landed. Provodnikov also beat Bradley in my opinion. The Russian pounded Bradley the whole fight, and although his conditioning and speed was inferior, Provodnikov never looked affected by Bradley. I will say, however, that Bradley is one of the toughest S.O.B.’s in the fight game. The Provodnikov fight is proof of that. Bradley is also a true professional boxer, with great accuracy, speed and conditioning. Not to mention he is a class act in and out of the ring. That said, however, not top ten P4P.

  14. Nicely done. Definitely the correct 10 names in the list for the time being.

    I’m glad to see the Adrian Broners and Canelo Alvarez’s of the world didn’t make it into the mix. Well done!

    • Are you kidding me???… Do you… expert panel …. really believe that Carlos Molina who won against Kirkland and Lara is less than them…. You critizice The Ring, Boxrec,etc… but you do the same.

      Es increible ver como una nueva asociación TBRB se da sus aires de grandeza diciendo que son la opción que el mundo del boxeo esperaba!!!! y resulta que caen los mismos errores que otros organismos…. Ejemplo: ¿Quién de forma imparcial pondría por debajo a Molina de Lara y Kirkland, cuando si bien no oficialmente pero sí en la realidad venció a ambos?… Molina le guste o no a TBRB es el boxeador a vencer en los medianos jr…. ¿Imparcialidad o TBRB también tiene intereses?

    • Yes, although there were some members who had those men in a different order. Marquez just beat the consensus #2 or #3 pound-for-pound boxer in the world, and arguably beat him some of the other times they met as well. He also had a run as the lineal lightweight champion, beat Marco Antonio Barrera, and a great many more. Martinez and Donaire both have excellent resumes, but the board collectively decided Marquez deserved to be ranked above them.

  15. Really? This is your p4p top ten based on in your words “go beyond simply asking who are the ‘best’: How high is the quality of the fighter’s recent opposition? How strong is the fighter’s career-long resume? How advanced is the fighter’s ring generalship? How willing is the fighter to accept all-comers?”. Well first of all lets look at number 6 on the list, Mr. Pacman, in his last two fights he has been beaten the latter of which saw him out cold on his face. Then we have number 10 Abner Mares who in your own rankings of his division is ranked below Rigondeaux. I could go on but feel it is in vain as boxing, without a unilateral governing body, will always be asking this same question and getting conflicting responses from all who attempt to answer it.

    • Another thing, marquez above donaire? I dont think so, and where is GGG you cant be down on a guy because everyone is scared to fight him!

    • It really is. Very few people consider the loss to Bradley a loss. Additionally, Pacquiao meets all of the standards you mentioned: How high is the quality of the fighter’s recent opposition? (very high) How strong is the fighter’s career-long resume? (very strong) How advanced is the fighter’s ring generalship? (it’s advanced) How willing is the fighter to accept all-comers? (some will debate who is most to blame for the Mayweather fight not happening, but even setting that aside, he’s fought some of the best opponents he can). Him being knocked out cold explains why he’s as far down as he is.

      Pound-for-pound rankings have very little to do with divisional rankings. One fighter can be ranked above another in a division where he has a better resume AT THAT WEIGHT, but still be ranked lower pound-for-pound than that person if his OVERALL resume is worse. Mares’ pound-for-pound resume has more to do with the quality of competition he’s beaten at two weights than whether he is the #1 or #2 junior featherweight. Do you see the difference?

      GGG is a quality middleweight, but he falls short in two of those questions we discussed, at least compared to the 10 men here. As for Marquez above Donaire, please see my answer to ian.

      Whatever one’s view of a unilateral governing body, I’ve seen no suggestion that such a body would or should create pound-for-pound rankings.

      • Well if your counting the Manny v Bradley fight as a win for the former then what has Bradley done to earn a place in the top 10?

  16. How can you possibly have guys like Froch. Viloria, and Mares above Bradley?

    Froch is 1-1 in his last 2 fights and was embarrassed by Ward. Then he beat a guy who everyone said hadn’t fought anyone, so now he’s P4P top 10?

    The talent pool below at lower weights is extremely thin. People had Wonjongkam as a P4P type of fighter, and he gets stopped by a guy with 10 losses. Viloria has been on a run lately, I’ll give him that, but those weight classes lack the depth of 140-147 where Bradley fights.

  17. I believe in this panel to produce an unbiased P4P listing. I for one anticipate the mere mention of Floyd Mayweather in any P4P ranking, because he has duped the world. Sadly Floyd has never been P4P caliber or contender. Floyd has “managed” (literally and figuratively) to avoid -not fight- missed a whopping and record setting 11 viable peers since 1999 and some of those men was for multiple years. This article can be Googled under Fraud Alert Hilario. Manny Pac is in the lead in my book because his longevity and dossier alone, the robbery of Bradley is on paper only – Bradley inwardly attests to this when he shaves while looking in the mirror, he must — I know I would. If this board chooses Maravilla over Manny because they have to honour in-ring official rulings that’s fine and in good taste. (if they consider losing a disruption in success when deciding P4P accolades) At Julian Johnson “I have trouble ranking a guy with 26 fights as the p4p best” Very good point. Ray Leonard is an ATG with 40 bouts. Ward has crammed in excellence with nearly half. So far so great for Andre.

  18. The light middle ranked number 1 has beaten the light middle ranked number 2 but remains in the same place, what gives?????

  19. if you put Floyd and Manny as top P4P I for one know this is just another bullshit biased ranking system. Ward or Martinez are 1 ans 2 flip it either way. Martinez has more fights and better wins, two div champ and I have trouble ranking a guy with 26 figths as the p4p best

    • Different people define P4P in different ways. Thus, it would be worthwhile for the TBRB to share their definition/interpretation with us in the future. You seem to be putting a huge emphasis on amount of fights, which I don’t agree with.

      • you have to rank a mythical div with who is best, not what they did, and right now Martinez or Ward are the best fighters in the world, Floyd is not now and hasnt been for a couple years now, manny also. Hell I have Roman Gonzalez higher then Manny. Lucas Mathysse is or should be on the list too

    • Seems your perspective is just as biased. Floyd and Manny have long established winning records against several top rated guys.

      I can see an argument for inserting Andre Ward somewhere in the top 2, but no way is Serg one of the two best fighters on the planet. Not after nearly losing it all to Chavez Jr. — and struggling against Macklin and Barker before.

      You can hate Floyd and Manny all you will, but to insinuate ranking them atop a Pound for Pound list is biased is just baseless.

      • The way I see it, If Martinez and Pacquiao were in the same division, Martinez would win. I was at Chavez vs Martinez, and I hope nobody is forgetting that for 11 rounds Sergio Martinez was hitting Chavez at will. Up until the final 2 minutes of the last round, Sergio Martinez was in perfect form. I get holding great fighters to high standards, but to say he “struggled” with Macklin and Barker is ridiculous. He got hit a few times, but he still knocked them out. Thats more then can be said about Pacquiao against Bradley, or Mayweather against Cotto. I am not saying he’s #1 or even #2 P4P, but one could definitely make a strong case for it.

        • Macklin can fight. Barker fought a smart fight.

          @Red Ryan. Bros. K are tremendous in every way. They can fight, are class acts, etc. However, they are campaigning in a paper-thin division and I think that hurts them.

          I agree with an earlier post. If you’re going to have a mythical division, you really need to set the parameters clearly.

          Also, I feel if the judges get it wrong, and the sport IS littered with horrible judges, throw their opinion out.

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